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Skirt parts are all wrong on the listings

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thespacecowboy

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Please get this in order. I should not have to waste 250 grams of plastic printing stuff that doesn''t fit the latest revision.
That revision should not be released until YOU HAVE BUILT AN ENTIRE PRINTER YOURSELVES FROM YOUR OWN INSTRUCTIONS

For example the switch plate is reversed for a single switch insert, because according to the manual, PSU goes toward the right, and its connectors toward the left, but the switch plate is for the right side, which wires will never reach. Because too many of the wrong one were sent, and I printed a wrong one, I have FOUR of these switch plates that are totally a waste.

If you reverse the side honeycomb, to use for the rear, this is not good enough, because the 350 rear plate won't fit it. So another wasted part trying to resolve the confusion.

I had the same problem with the people I bought the parts from, nobody there has built a 2.4 rev D, (apparently nobody on Earth ever has before me), and they sent tons of the wrong parts.

PLEASE GET YOUR GUIDES AND MANUALS IN ORDER! _EVERYONE ON EARTH_ NEEDS TO GET THEIR VORON GUIDE IN ORDER!

VORON > LDO > VENDOR > PARTS PRINTER... TOO MANY COOKS!
 
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Quite frankly the official VORON 2.4 guide is back on Rev A or some old version.

There are dozens of things in here that are not involved with, or part of, any kit available today.

For example, the nevermore filter is more or less standard now, and the 2.4 guide has rear filter instructions.

All over the internet are people asking about the intended tube routing because the manual doesn't provide instruction for modern kits, only for the old rear filter.

There doesn't seem to be a replacement for the old rear filter at the top, that I can find anywhere.

Apparently there is no such thing as a "rear skirt side" skirt part in the VORON github that fits with the rear 350mm center plate.

The pulley covers for the side skirts simply do not fit/work as in the guide. You can put in those heatset inserts and print them, but they won't fit. The skirt is too thick.

Frankly the entire existing 2.4 manual on the github is a huge WTF and vendors are having to try to provide lists of exceptions to get around it. As soon as you get past frame assembly you are in wonderland... as in constantly wondering "Why don't I have this part", "Why isn't this in the printed parts list","why doesn't mine look like this", "why is there a gaping hole here where something should be in the back", and other thoughts like "glad I remembered reading that exception from 3 days ago or I'd destroy the entire thing doing this wrong"
 
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thespacecowboy said:
Quite frankly the official VORON 2.4 guide is back on Rev A or some old version.

There are dozens of things in here that are not involved with, or part of, any kit available today.

For example, the nevermore filter is more or less standard now, and the 2.4 guide has rear filter instructions.

All over the internet are people asking about the intended tube routing because the manual doesn't provide instruction for modern kits, only for the old rear filter.

There doesn't seem to be a replacement for the old rear filter at the top, that I can find anywhere.

Apparently there is no such thing as a "rear skirt side" skirt part in the VORON github that fits with the rear 350mm center plate.

The pulley covers for the side skirts simply do not fit/work as in the guide. You can put in those heatset inserts and print them, but they won't fit. The skirt is too thick.

Frankly the entire existing 2.4 manual on the github is a huge WTF and vendors are having to try to provide lists of exceptions to get around it. As soon as you get past frame assembly you are in wonderland... as in constantly wondering "Why don't I have this part", "Why isn't this in the printed parts list","why doesn't mine look like this", "why is there a gaping hole here where something should be in the back", and other thoughts like "glad I remembered reading that exception from 3 days ago or I'd destroy the entire thing doing this wrong"
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1. the nevermore isnt a stock option, thats why its not in the manual, the rear exhaust is ..will that change in a future revision? dont know at this time but that what is stock atm and why its in the manual

2. there are 1000s of V2.4s built with those instructions and those skirt pieces, if this was THAT big of an issue it would have come up before,

for the skirts if you were to post pictures of the parts you are talking about it would help everyone figure out what you are talking about

when it comes to the rear skirts there are 2 different rear sides and a rear middle, the rear sides are the power inlet, and the keystone, those are all the same size no matter what frame size (250, 300, 350) you build, then the middle rear skirt is the only difference between them and for you sounds like you have a 350 this is the rear center skirt that fits that
 
thespacecowboy said:
Frankly the entire existing 2.4 manual on the github is a huge WTF and vendors are having to try to provide lists of exceptions to get around it.
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You're not understanding the situation at all. The stock voron 2.4r2 design is...what it is. You can disagree with the choices that are in it. You can add a dozen mods of your own. These things are all fine. But the stock design is what it is, and the manual matches the stock design.

The errata lists from folks like ldo are not in any way documenting *flaws in the manual*. They are documenting the places that the kit vendors have taken off in random directions, and not followed the stock printer. That's also fine.

But claiming that any of that makes the actual voron manual a "huge wtf" is just absurd
 
thespacecowboy said:
Quite frankly the official VORON 2.4 guide is back on Rev A or some old version.

There are dozens of things in here that are not involved with, or part of, any kit available today.

For example, the nevermore filter is more or less standard now, and the 2.4 guide has rear filter instructions.

All over the internet are people asking about the intended tube routing because the manual doesn't provide instruction for modern kits, only for the old rear filter.

There doesn't seem to be a replacement for the old rear filter at the top, that I can find anywhere.

Apparently there is no such thing as a "rear skirt side" skirt part in the VORON github that fits with the rear 350mm center plate.

The pulley covers for the side skirts simply do not fit/work as in the guide. You can put in those heatset inserts and print them, but they won't fit. The skirt is too thick.

Frankly the entire existing 2.4 manual on the github is a huge WTF and vendors are having to try to provide lists of exceptions to get around it. As soon as you get past frame assembly you are in wonderland... as in constantly wondering "Why don't I have this part", "Why isn't this in the printed parts list","why doesn't mine look like this", "why is there a gaping hole here where something should be in the back", and other thoughts like "glad I remembered reading that exception from 3 days ago or I'd destroy the entire thing doing this wrong"
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Here's how VORON works:

VORON provides just the designs for printers, together with complete BOM (Bill of materials, what parts you need), sourcing guide (tips on where to buy those parts), manual, configuration etc. Stock VORON printer is what you buy if you self-source. THat's the reference design. Manual is made for the stock VORON printer. All parts you see in BOM and surcing guide were researched, purchased and tested during development. When you assemble the printer using those parts, you will get known good working printer.

Current VORON 2.4 revision is R2.

Now, to ease with sourcing (and make money), kit manufacturers decided to do the hard work of researching and buying parts for you. They do it instead, throw it in a box, put a nice wrap on it and sell to you. Hoever, VORON Design is NOT responsible for what kit manufacturers throw in the box. They will add extra stuff or popular mods to make their kit more appealing. What you are referring to as Rev A B C D are kit manufacturer's revisions and have nothing in common with VORON 2.4 stock printer revision number. It's their kit. You have to follow their instructions on what parts to print, because due to aforementioned additional mods they included.

Post us photo of the inlet and what you printed. I assume you printed your own parts since they are mismatched.
 
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Sanity Agathion said:
Here's how VORON works:

VORON provides just the designs for printers, together with complete BOM (Bill of materials, what parts you need), sourcing guide (tips on where to buy those parts), manual, configuration etc. Stock VORON printer is what you buy if you self-source. THat's the reference design. Manual is made for the stock VORON printer. All parts you see in BOM and surcing guide were researched, purchased and tested during development. When you assemble the printer using those parts, you will get known good working printer.

Current VORON 2.4 revision is R2.

Now, to ease with sourcing (and make money), kit manufacturers decided to do the hard work of researching and buying parts for you. They do it instead, throw it in a box, put a nice wrap on it and sell to you. Hoever, VORON Design is NOT responsible for what kit manufacturers throw in the box. They will add extra stuff or popular mods to make their kit more appealing. What you are referring to as Rev A B C D are kit manufacturer's revisions and have nothing in common with VORON 2.4 stock printer revision number. It's their kit. You have to follow their instructions on what parts to print, because due to aforementioned additional mods they included.

Post us photo of the inlet and what you printed. I assume you printed your own parts since they are mismatched.
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I got the LDO Rev D kit, and printed parts from MH, but the excess of parts is definitely on the MH end. I figured the front side plate would fit with the 350 back center plate on the rear, since I don't see a different rear side plate besides the one for the power jack. Any parts I printed myself came from the VORON github page.

The space I am trying to fill is the square hole at the top back of the printer, seems like it is as shown in the Voron guide, should be that same size, but the only thing that seems to be around that goes there to hold a bowden or block the opening is the filter that I don't have parts for. I have been looking but I am not sure what is out there that will work.

*I guess I'm ganna print the standard access cover and see if a small part fits. This should be an essential part so that kit seller include this in their solutions.
 
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thunderkeys said:
these are the parts LDO recommends for the replacement for the rear filter.

github.com

LDOVoron2/STLs/exhaust_cover.stl at main · MotorDynamicsLab/LDOVoron2

Contains supplementary information for the LDO Voron 2 Kit - MotorDynamicsLab/LDOVoron2
github.com github.com
github.com

Voron-2/STLs/Exhaust_Filter/exhaust_filter_grill.stl at Voron2.4 · VoronDesign/Voron-2

Voron 2 CoreXY 3D Printer design. Contribute to VoronDesign/Voron-2 development by creating an account on GitHub.
github.com github.com
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Thank you, and through what resource did you locate this?
 
Sanity Agathion said:
Oh, well, there had been quite a few issues with their parts.

For people watching this thread: get parts from PIF https://pif.voron.dev Your provider will ask what kit you have and print parts matching the kit, from ABS, and in good quality.
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I did try to work with them, they are ALMOST there. I see what they want to do and there's no reason with what they are capable of that they can't do it. It's really just an organizing things problem.

Hindsight being what it is I should have gone with PIF or just printed my own, as the stuff I printed on a printer that can barely handle ABS was acceptable.
 
Having just built a LDO Rev C kit with some of the Rev D upgrades (Leviathan and Nighthawk) ,the entire electronics bay flipped 90 degrees between LDO's C and D revisions. I placed as indicated with their Rev C and found a couple of issues with wiring for the Leviathon and Nighthawk but nothing terminal.

LDO have a very good resource for each revision with the downloadable STL's for anything that deviates from the vanilla 2.4 and their kits go together very very well. I only had to extend the X and Y endstop wires and create a couple of longer 24v power leads due to my changes but managed to ditch a huge amount of cabling in the process. For the power supply they do indicate the STL to print that will fit their switched socket.

Before losing your sh1t at the designers it is a good idea to go and visit the resource for your kit:

Build Notes/FAQ

docs.ldomotors.com docs.ldomotors.com

Rev. D Printed Parts Guide (Voron 2.4 Kit)

docs.ldomotors.com docs.ldomotors.com

LDO V2.4 Kit Wiring Guide (Rev.D)

docs.ldomotors.com docs.ldomotors.com

LDO Voron 2.4 Kit FAQ

docs.ldomotors.com docs.ldomotors.com

250g of plastic is cheap - some poor souls have bbq'd a lot more during their builds.
 
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